Transitioning from Opera 12: The obvious ones

There are a few things that are fairly obvious, so I thought I'd just do a post collecting some of these:

  • Mouse gestures: Very obvious. They are already there.
  • Only load plugins on demand: Already available in the settings.
  • Being able to store multiple logins for web sites: Start typing the username, and you can choose it from a dropdown and it will fill in the password for you.
  • E-mail client which handles tons of mail: It's been moved to a separate application, but it's still available.
  • RSS/feed reader: Part of the new separate Opera Mail e-mail client.
  • Shift+click to close a tab: Already works.
  • USB/portable installer: Available as an option in the installer.

Remember, this is a list that applies to my personal usage. Some may really, really not like the separate e-mail client, for example, but I am covering my own usage here.

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27 thoughts on “Transitioning from Opera 12: The obvious ones

  1. Mouse gestures feel nowhere near how they did in Opera 12.I might get used to it eventually of course, but I still feel like there's something missing to make them work as well and as often as they did in Opera 12, in spite of my sloppy waving of the mouse.On top of that, RMB+Scroll wheel up/down has yet to be implemented, whether this is considered a gesture or not is uncertain though. Oh and closing a tab does not lead me to the last used tab…

  2. There is much wrong with the mail/RSS client being separated from the browser for Opera. If I want to have RSS in Opera Mail (separated), how does one even notice an RSS feed opportunity in Opera 15? If one notices somehow the link for an RSS feed in Opera 15, one must copy and paste said link into Opera Mail via some menu setting in Opera Mail. Of course, in Opera 12 and prior, one just had to click on the RSS icon in the address bar to quickly subscribe to a new feed.There is other clumsiness felt when clicking on links in the separated Opera Mail. Going back and forth between two different applications just is … well, clumsy. Finally, there is no current way that I'm aware of to send a page link (via Opera 15) via email using Opera Mail.

  3. Originally posted by derDay:

    Rocker gestures don't work

    Those are a separate entry on my list.

  4. Originally posted by F-V:

    Originally posted by escruting:

    Why is it posible to press "show" in the password manager and it shows the password in plain text?

    Because sites may change their login URL and people might completely lose their passwords if the browser's manager didn't allow this? Because sites may re-ask the password on other occasions for verifying stuff?

    Remember that anyone with access to your computer can retrieve stored passwords; showing ***** in the interface is security by obscurity. Use a master / Windows password to be safer.

    This wasn't like this in Opera 12 and it shouldn't be this way (i know it works the same way in Firefox and Chrome, but i don't see why its like this, if i don't remember a password, the most secure way to get it is the "remember password" button on the login screen).If i let a friend research something on my computer he can see all my passwords without needing any special tech-savy knowledge…

  5. Originally posted by Hypnotoad:

    Oh and closing a tab does not lead me to the last used tab…

    There is an extension for that … welcome to Chrome/Firefox/Opera! 😆

  6. do you really compare the new with the old mouse geture behaviour? Rocker gestures don't work and to draw the gestures you need a "longer way". So they are implemented but they don't work like in the 12 brench. My post shouldn't be offensive (so sorry if it sounds), but I asked you again: do the new ones fit to your (old) habits?

  7. Why is it posible to press "show" in the password manager and it shows the password in plain text?Will the wand come back in any form? Thanks.

  8. Mouse gestures are there, but it's not possible to edit them. I'm used to the right-left-right gesture to close a tab, and it doesn't work in Opera 15.

  9. When not using keyboard navigation (broken beyond recognition in 15) I used mouse gestures on links to one-handedly open-in-background. Can that be configured somehow?

  10. Originally posted by escruting:

    Why is it posible to press "show" in the password manager and it shows the password in plain text?

    Because sites may change their login URL and people might completely lose their passwords if the browser's manager didn't allow this? Because sites may re-ask the password on other occasions for verifying stuff?Remember that anyone with access to your computer can retrieve stored passwords; showing ***** in the interface is security by obscurity. Use a master / Windows password to be safer.

  11. Originally posted by haavard:

    Those are a separate entry on my list.

    Good, good. Hope to see them already on O16.BTW, why are they called Rocker Gestures?

  12. Rocker gestures can be "solved" for now by using some Chrome extension, ie. Smooth Gestures (and turning Opera mouse gestures off).

  13. "- Mouse gestures: Very obvious. They are already there."They are a joke compared to the previous implementation. Missing *a lot* of gestures, and not customizable."- Only load plugins on demand: Already available in the settings."In Opera 12 you have the possibility to enable the plugins through a little icon in the url field (to the right). In Opera 15 you can't and some pages won't work without this (that is, you can activate the plugins in Opera 12 but not in Opera 15)."- Being able to store multiple logins for web sites: Start typing the username, and you can choose it from a dropdown and it will fill in the password for you."I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm using a LastPass for my general passwords, but some passwords (I think through .htaccess/.htpasswd) can only be stored in Opera, I don't know if you can disable the password management without disabling the .htpasswd part ?"- E-mail client which handles tons of mail: It's been moved to a separate application, but it's still available.- RSS/feed reader: Part of the new separate Opera Mail e-mail client."What a shame. Those tools were quite good, but their best value was in the integration with the browser. Outside of it, they are about worth nothing."- Shift+click to close a tab: Already works."I use middle-click, easier. But still missing the middle click in the tab bars to open a new tab. Have to click on the little "+" icon now, requires more precision than middle-clicking anywhere on a free portion of the bar.

  14. Nice blog post…Below are already there in O15.34. Paste and Go (obvious)22. Starts downloading a file right away; does not wait for save location to be chosen (in Settings)

  15. Sorry, saying Mouse Gestures are there sounds like a joke. In the help pages there are exactly 5 gestures listed and I didn't find any other gestures, that worked in O12.For example opening a link in a new tab (gesture down), opening link in a new background tab (gesture down and up), duplicating a tab (gesture down and up) aren't implemented.So, mouse gestures are not there, yet. And regarding e-mail application, despite having asked in multiple occasions I've still waiting for an Opera Employee telling us that it will be actively developed.

  16. USB/portable installer: Available as an option in the installer.

    I don't like the new 'portable' version. In opera 12, you could set opera to 'ask before downloading and installing updates' (default Behavior). But opera 15, just seems to download the update and place it in a folder next to the current folder.* If you're running opera from an "USB flash drive", everything might go 'very' slow, because opera is writing a bunch of files to your usb.* If you're on a friends computer, you might want to limit how much bandwidth you want to use (not everyone has one of the fancy 'unlimited download'-plans).

    If i let a friend research something on my computer he can see all my passwords without needing any special tech-savy knowledge…

    That concerns me too. Opera used to be the most secure browser, but now it's suddenly telling everyone (who uses my computer) what all my passwords are? At least let me set a 'Master password'

    What a shame. Those tools were quite good, but their best value was in the integration with the browser. Outside of it, they are about worth nothing.

    Agreed. I was using the build in tools, because they where build in. But both the feed manager and the mailclient are worth nothing as a seperate application. It doesn't even have all the basic functions of a 'modern' email-client. I'm currently using 'QuiteRSS' as a feedmanager and 'eM-Client' (free version) as a mail client)

  17. I am trying the separate mail client. I doubt it can succeed. They will lose the integration with the browser, which is an important part of the value proposition.I have to ask, how can Opera afford to support this? They can't really keep the browser going, now they want a completely separate application? I don't get it.

  18. I'm not sure what "can't really keep the browser going", but what we are doing now is exactly that (and the desktop browser is highly profitable). This is off-topic, though.

  19. All fair and nice, but every single one of these is not a concern of me. For me they are: bookmarks with shortcuts (and on folders), decent tab handling, and tons of convenience that is simply gone.

  20. Originally posted by haavard:

    I'm not sure what "can't really keep the browser going", but what we are doing now is exactly that (and the desktop browser is highly profitable). This is off-topic, though.

    I mean Opera cannot support it's own render engine. I see dropping presto and switching to webkit as a kind of surrender. I guess it had to be done, but still, it seems like defeat. I hope mail and RSS can be reintegrated into the browser soon.I am glad to hear that the desktop browser is profitable, I had assumed most of Opera's money came from mobile. How does the desktop browser make money, from search revenue?I worry that the mail client cannot make money and will not be well supported. Mozilla has stopped new development of Thunderbird.

  21. Being able to store multiple logins for web sites: Start typing the username, and you can choose it from a dropdown and it will fill in the password for you.

    Ah cool i didn´t realise that.But i have to know the usernames.Not with wand.I dont remember many usernames 🙂

  22. Being able to store multiple logins for web sites: Start typing the username, and you can choose it from a dropdown and it will fill in the password for you.

    Yes, if you start typing this may work, but in the existing Opera (i.e. 12.x) clicking the Wand, or pressing <Ctrl><Enter> brings up a list of available logins so you don't have to remember the first letter of the login.Also, when on Yahoo, for instance, and you want to change a deeper, more personal, setting, and the site just wants the password re-entered, Opera 12.x brings up the same list in the same order (though without the usernames). How would Opera 15.x handle this (i.e. remember, replay, and insert a password)?

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